St Clair Du-Berry (Saint Dub): From Church Choir to Sermons and “I Live Forever”

St Clair Du-Berry — better known as Saint Dub — has one of those stories you can feel in the records.

Raised in Morrow, Georgia, he found his voice as “the loudest kid in the choir,” moved into musical theatre (The Wiz at 12), then into the TV grind: auditions in LA, stand-in and photo-double work on Earth to Echo, Disney XD’s TRY-athlon and more. Along the way he lost both parents, relocated again, and turned all of it into deeply personal rap records.

In this episode we cover:

• Growing up in Atlanta’s suburbs and finding music in the church
• Moving from Orlando to LA and learning the industry from the inside
• The story behind The Glitch, “Vitamin B12” and recording with his mother
• Processing grief and faith on his new album Sermons
• Building experimental cuts like “I Live Forever” and sampling UK artist RAYE
• Why he keeps “Saint” in his name and tries to offer perspective in every verse
  
  

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He closes the episode with a simple line that hits hard:

“Love yourself like God loves you.”

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Transcript

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Hey, welcome back to the podcast everyone. Beats the Rap On podcast. got Sinclair Dewberry here. Super awesome opportunity to get him on all across Australia, all across Europe and all across London. Yeah. So we are super pumped to have him on today. So um Sinclair, like maybe, you know, just for the viewers and the listeners, just to kick off, you know, can you tell us a little bit about yourself? So a little bit about me, my full name is St. Clair Sorgapadere DuBerry Jr. That's just a little fun fact in itself. There's a lot of history behind that, you know what saying, in itself. But yeah, basically, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. But basically, I'm from Atlanta, Georgia, specifically the Morrow, Georgia area, which is like a small little black. suburban town in like the metro Atlanta area, you know, and I started out really in the church, you know what I'm saying? That's where like my journey with music and everything started was in the church, you know. um My mother and father, they pastored, but my mother was pastor, my dad was bishop of a church um in Atlanta, you know what I'm saying? For a little while and like, you know, when I was in the... oh I would like singing the choir, you know what I'm saying? Just as like, you know, the thing that I did, you know, to participate in, you know, volunteer for the church and stuff like that. And a lot of the congregation members would call me like the loudest voice in the choir and stuff like that. You know what I'm saying? That was kind like my nickname, like the loudest voice in the choir and stuff. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, that's kind of my start, you know what I'm saying? Like more or less. That's great. Let's unpack that name a bit. That is a pretty wicked name. um Tell us how you came up with that name. So yeah, so my first name is since I'm a junior Obviously, that's my father's name. I'm a second and The sorgab a deer is actually Hebrew uh Sorga means strong tower and a deer means noble one um And dewberry is there's some history behind dewberry. I'm not completely sure, you know with that, you know, that was just you know, My father's last name. yeah another fun fact oh My pops is actually from the UK. He's from Kensal Green, I believe, England. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, the whole Europe thing. you know, we're dealing with Lincoln, Lincoln up, you know what I'm saying? The whole Europe vibe, you know, Black British. Yeah, yeah, no, very good. Very good. What about the, what about the Saint in your name? Like how, how did that come about? Why'd you keep it? well not only did I just keep that as my artist name because, you know, I just felt like it or something like that, or it's just a part of my first name. I kept it because, you know, it just represents what I try to represent a lot. You know what I'm saying? And you know, sometimes I'm a walking contradiction. Sometimes I send shit just like everybody else. See, I send just now. just said the curse word. You know, but I try I try let's just say for the most part I try to keep it positive You know and with my music I try to keep things at the very least offer people perspective and I guess you could say Yeah, just just offer people perspective on different topics and subject matter from marriage to you know Productivity like work, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, love that. Totally love that man. Um, so let's, let's go all the way back. Let's get the, let's get the listeners, you know, understanding who you are, where it all started. Take us all the way back to when you were just a wee little fella. and you know, you started getting into it. First of all, I just want to comment on how you said, we little fella. That was pretty dope. I like the whole English. We little fella. I like that. That's pretty cool. Pretty cool. But yeah, I just, that's cool. You know what saying? The whole UK vibe. But, yeah, um, basic. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. For sure. Um, but yeah, basically, like I said, I just started out really, um, in the church first. And then I made a switch to musical theater. So I'll backtrack a little bit. Basically I did my first show when I was like around 11, 12 years old. And yeah, was really, to be honest with you, like doing my first show at that age, was like, you know, I grew up real timid, know, shy per se. Yeah, I was a shy guy. No Super Mario reference, but know, Shy Guy. um yeah, basically that's how I started out. like my father, um he heard a radio ad for a local play. Like this is when I was living in Orlando after I moved out of Atlanta, me and my parents moved to Orlando, Florida. And um there was a radio ad for a play that they were... or a show that they were putting on and were having a local audition and stuff like that. And it wasn't my idea, it actually my dad's idea. He said, why don't you try out for it? He was very bold about things, you know what I'm saying? And I was like, really me? I should try out for that? I said, okay, I guess. You know what I'm saying? So basically to make a long story a little bit shorter, I just did it. I tried out for the play and I got one of the... the major roles in the play. The play, by the way, is The Wiz, which is basically like the urban black version of The Wizard of Oz, as you probably already know. But yeah, they cast me as the wizard for the play because they wanted to do a little bit of an alternative spin on it and have, because, you know, in the movie version, they had Richard Pryor, you know, play as the wizard, you know what I'm saying? They wanted to cast somebody said that somebody being like older they wanted to cast somebody like young because I was like you know like I said around 11 12 at the time so they wanted to cast somebody young so it gave me like kind of like an ironic thing they expect somebody like big and bad to come out and see this like little kid coming out and shit like that like you know you know put a little spin on it and everything so yeah I got casted for it and yeah and it was us it was something else because you know I was like like defer because it was a weekend show It was like over the course of a weekend Friday Saturday Sunday and another thing fun fact it was actually my birthday weekend that we had to show on the Saturday that Saturday was my birthday I turned 12 years old and yeah, anyway back to my story I was like Beyond like I had the butterflies nervous, you know what I'm saying? Like I got everybody's lines and you know what I'm saying? singing dance and do all this shit, you know what saying, but um I don't know, when I got out there, you know, it's like, it's almost, it was almost like a, you know, for lack of better words, like a Beyonce, Sasha Fierce type moment, you know what I'm saying? It's like, you just turn into like this different person. I just turned into this different person, you know what I'm Stuff like that. yeah, it was basically from that point on is when I got like the creative bug, like I just like to be creative, you know, and do, you know, creative shit and everything like that. So basically from there, um I started doing local plays and stuff like that around the Orlando area. um After that is when, basically my mother, this is my mother comes into play. She had taken me to this, I guess you could say, yeah, was like an audition for a workshop for acting. they were basically looking for people to train in film and television and stuff like that. And one of the... Uh, well, it managers, one of the managers there. she, didn't, I didn't know she was a manager at the time. Obviously I was going into, you know, audition and like, you know, training and stuff like that. But, um, you know, basically we did a side, which is enacting like, uh, just like, uh, a snippet of like a commercial or like a commercial side. And, um, you know, they, test your voice. See if you like, don't have any musical talent to sing or whatever and stuff like that. So I went in there and auditioned and stuff like that and from there, her name is Nita Brochu. She had casted, not casted me, but she basically had signed me to her management company from there to move out to LA. So from there, we basically moved. You know what I'm saying? At that point, it's like, you know. you get a shot to do what you love to do. You know what I'm saying? We just decided to eventually move out there and stuff like that. And she was my manager for a little while. another fun fact, Nita Broschu is actually uh Doug Broschu's mother because I was auditioning for Disney uh Nickelodeon um television pilots while I was out there. know, like Doug Broschu, was on, I forgot what show he was on, but he was on one of those Disney shows. But his mother was managing me. um from there, basically went on lot of auditions and stuff like that out in the LA area. um from there, I did a couple of things, like some work and stuff like that. A couple of commercials. did for a lot of Disney, like Alien Ant Farm, or Ant Farm was one of the shows. was like the, you know, yeah. eh Yeah, yeah, yeah, I had audition for that. was one of the first African, what role it was. memory, my memory is the best, but audition for, I think like the black kid on there. I was one of the, I was auditioning for the main roles for that. And there was a couple of Nickelodeon shows I was auditioning for and stuff like that, Disney stuff. Cause I was 18 to play younger, which basically in the industry, which you probably might already know, means that like, you know, you're over the age of 18. So you get all of the work. You can get to do all of the work stuff that kids can't do. Under the age of 18, you can stay past midnight and stuff like that. You're able to work on the set past a certain time. But you look younger than 18, so you're playing kids role. You know what I'm saying? So uh like I said, I did a couple of things out there. don't know uh if you heard of a movie called Earth to Echo. It came out in 2014. I was a... I was a standing photo double for Brian Astro Bradley. He was on the X Factor. You might, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he was on the X Factor. m And yeah, I was his standing photo double for that. Like I said, we were 18 to play younger. So, know, and the standing photo doubles are basically like the understudies for, like understudies in theater are pretty much what standing photo doubles are for the movies. like we're not. in the movies, like we're basically considered crew, you know what I'm saying? So um we're there to basically be like the models, we run lines, you know what I'm saying? We shoot the scenes, but we're just like, you know, not technically in the movie. Like they'll have certain scenes, like maybe they'll use our hands or like certain parts of our body and stuff like that. But technically we're not in the movie, but it's good. It's a good place to start, you know what I'm saying? For people trying to break into the industry and stuff like that. So I did that. I was on Disney XD's Triathlon event, it spelled like, instead of TRI, it's T-R-Y, like try, like if try your best, you know what I'm saying? Kid stuff, know, kid type shit. But yeah, I did that. And uh I met uh Kevin Love from the Minnesota Timberwolves. I don't know if he's still on that team, but he was basically on our team. on the Triathlon event. So it was me, um Kevin Love as like the professional sports player who was on there and what's his name? I think his name is Doc Shaw. But oh he was on one of the Disney XD shows. I forgot what show it was. think it was uh King Something. I said, my memory is terrible sometimes, bro. But yeah, basically he was on one of Disney XD shows and you know, who else was on there? You know Tyler James Williams? uh Everybody hates Chris. unpack that for the listeners who may not have heard of it. Yeah, yeah, um, you know Chris Rock the famous comedian or whatever basically that's a that was a show about Chris Rock's life when he was growing up. It was a more like an urban show like, you know, like a black show and everything like that. um, his Tyler James Williams brother, younger brother, I think his name is Terrell Williams. He was one of the hosts. on the triathlon event. You can look it up, it's on YouTube, you know what I'm saying? It was obviously on TV, you know what I'm saying? um for those looking at looking that up, it's a T R Y Aflon. you can check it out all over YouTube. Um, you know, you can type in Kevin Love triathlon, or you can type in, uh, you know, all the other folks that been mentioning, go check it out. It's actually pretty good. Um, yeah, nice one. That's yeah. uh Well, no, I was just looking it up now, just checking it out. And yeah, just for all the listeners and viewers. For sure, for sure, yeah. it's just looking it up now. Yeah. Yeah. And, just for all the listeners and things like that, you know, yeah, you can just jump onto YouTube and check that out. That's really interesting. So when you were like little, you know, we fellow back then, when you're kind of growing up, getting a little bit bigger, and then, you know, you, you left Atlanta and you moved to LA, right. And you're now based in, uh, base there, guess, you know, what, what did your early church community? music experiences, know, teach you about performance and arrangement. That's a good question. um So I would say that oh early church experience has just, it really shaped like, I guess you could say the moral dynamic or like the lyrical dynamic, it definitely shaped the lyrical dynamic, I definitely say that, of my music. there's always something you could find in my records or my sound that's gonna be related, something that's gotta do with the metaphysics of life or some type of spirituality at the very least. there's always gonna be little, sometimes big things, sometimes little things, but there's always gonna be something in there that's gonna represent like... God or christ or you know some type of like virtue or being moral in some type of way You know what i'm saying or at least at the very most I try to keep it that way You know what i'm saying? Like I said, i'm still working on the expletives and stuff like that the cursing and all that but you know It's rap, you know what i'm saying? It's music. You know what i'm saying? But like I said at the like I said the very uh least I try to keep it perspective Offer offer perspective. It's not Excuse me, it's not just gonna be like, you know, I'ma shoot you, you know what I'm saying? you know, I'm just gonna be honest, like, a lot of rap music, not all, not all, you know what I'm saying? But I say like a lot of mainstream rap and hip hop music, like, kind of promotes, um you know, that kind of lifestyle, like, know, street life and stuff like that. um A lot of people kind of compare me to like a younger Kanye West, like when he first started out. And he's one of my biggest inspirations, because he brought something completely different to the genre. Because I was in the hip hop, I think my first hip hop artist that I ever listened to was Lil Wayne, his The Carter 3 album. I remember hearing him really for the first time, like, oh man, this shit is fucking fire. Like this shit is dope. I remember back when we had the Walkmans and the fucking MP3 players and shit like that. Yeah, I that shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I had the fucking, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah, have the tape decks and the fucking little boom boxes and shit like that. Yeah, the CDs, CDs and shit, VHS, all that shit, yeah. walk around with it like this, you know, that. That's eh it. for sure, for sure. But, yeah, that was, that was pretty much, uh, my, my, my, my thing, you know what I'm saying? I grew up on a lot of like, uh, you know, old school, like R and B, you know, like, you know, Michael Jackson or pop, you know what Like Michael Jackson, know what I'm saying? Marvin Gaye, Luther Vandross. You know, well Stevie Wonder, you know what I'm saying? But as far as rap and hip hop, I'd like probably my two biggest, two or three or four. I got a lot, you know, I'd probably say Lil Wayne, Kanye West, Pharrell, and Kid Cudi. Like, that was like my childhood. I remember like the Kanye West graduation album was like one of my... It's probably like my most listened to song, I mean most listened to album ever. Like I probably rap like every track like word for word like you know, maybe miss a couple of words, fumble over a couple of words but you know, for the most part like that was my album, that was my go-to. Cause I feel like when he represented, know, like people say, it's like just back, yeah like just backpack rap, know, and shit like that but I saw it as like more than that, know, nothing I like this dude is. Dude, this is dope. Yeah, yeah, totally different. And, um, so yeah, that was interesting growing up and hearing your journey and how it influenced you in terms of in arrangement with respect to, know, the church and community. And, so if you kind of think about that and you bake that into also you moving cities, um, you know, how did, how did, you know, each city, I guess, shape your sound and hustle. That's another question um I Say okay, so they go back to my roots in Atlanta My parents Church like what they got ordained at is uh Philadelphia um Church of God in Christ I called you Church of God in Christ They're not a nominational church, and I had I have to shout them out like I have to they I can't say everything, but they brought me through a lot of difficult times. know, cause I'm just going to be honest with you. My, my, my mother and father are, um, you know, no longer, um, you know, with this earth there, they passed on, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. But, that I say, that's what probably one of my biggest hurdles that I had to, to jump, you know what I'm saying? in my own ways, I'm slowly but surely coming out of that, it's not like it was, you know, well, my dad was like years ago, he passed away in 2009 when I was a teenager. But my mother, she passed away more recently, she passed away in October of 2022. So, you know, that was more recent, like during the height of COVID around then. You know, she didn't pass from COVID, but you know, she had passed and everything. you know, that was one of like the, I'd say like the rockiest periods of my life. But, you know, to keep it on a positive note, it really uh shaped me, um not just musically, but like, you know, uh morally, you know what I'm saying? Like it just, it gave me more strength, you know? in a lot of different circumstances and situations. It taught me how to overcome a lot more things. Obviously for anybody, like I said, it's not just about me, it's for anybody, you know what I'm saying, that um has lost a loved one. You know what I'm saying? It's just something that I'll tell anybody out there, just hear these words that in order to overcome. You have to... You have to choose life. You know what I'm saying? You have to choose, actively choose. You know what I'm saying? Don't just like go through the motions of, know, just take it one day at a time, or, know, bye bye this and that, know, go to work this and that, you know, or go through the motions, so to speak. You have to actively choose in your mind, like, to live. You know what I'm saying? There was this um interview. not interview, was like some type of motivational speech I saw and it kind of like stuck out my brain. He said, order for you to get anything done, you have to literally put in your mind, do it now. You know what I'm saying? Like do it now. Like literally like that, like it's, you know, just it's simple, rudimentary, you know what I'm saying? But I thought about it and I'm like, man, like ever since I heard him say those words, it's like when I don't feel like doing something or I feel like procrastinating. or just not necessarily getting something done at that current point in time, I literally just tell myself, do it now. And it motivates me to just do it. I feel like that's the power of manifestation. It's like, literally, if you tell yourself to do something, or if you tell yourself it's gonna be okay, that you're gonna make it, that I need to do it now, then it's gonna happen. You're gonna do it, you're gonna make it. You know what saying? yeah. It's like, do it tomorrow when it can be done today? know, like, um, yeah, absolutely. And that would have, that would have had, you know, cause you've, you've done a few releases, you know, from what we can see from 2021 to 22, for example, the idea and nostalgia ultimate. also released, um, or you tease cherry blossom serenade, you know, and, and when you were creating these cuts like. the master, brighter day, serious, um, and things like that. You know, you must've been honestly like going through emotional hell at that point through all this kind of stuff. Um, how much did all of, you know, via motion and everything that was going on in your life influence some of those cuts that you put out? Man, I'll tell you what, you brought up uh interesting I wanted to say. When I made my song, Vitamin B12, for my album The Glitch, it was first a single. It was just a single. I made it when I was out in Las Vegas when I started pursuing music professionally. And it was originally a song about my dad. Um, cause in the, in the first verse, I just don't go away. need you every day. You know what I'm saying? Uh, stuff like that. And, it was really a song about my father, you know, cause this was back when my mother was still alive. But when I had moved from Las Vegas back to Atlanta was during the period of time when my mother had passed. So it's weird how like, and keep in mind, this was the last song. recorded before she passed away and she was on that song you know so it's like when she passed and I listened to the song you know I wouldn't say I wouldn't use the T word trigger but like it brings back like all of the times you know like like her yeah yeah yeah trigger. Like just call it as it is. I trigger anyone. Yeah, trigger, trigger. Yeah, for real, yeah. But oh what you might call it? uh Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was, it's like, I wouldn't just say it was just that. I would say it brings back life lessons that she taught me. Because when I recorded it, oh There was a certain way that I kind of wanted her to have it recorded on that last verse. Yeah, I guess you could call it the last verse or the last part during the bridge or whatever. And it's almost like when I go back and listen to it, it's almost like she's teaching me through the song I experienced or through the track. You know what I'm saying? It's like going back in here and... you know, what she had to say, you know, while she was still uh present, like, you know, here, like on the planet and stuff like that, you know what I'm saying? I don't know how else I could describe it. It's just like, you know, it's like going back and listening to like an old voicemail or something like that, you know, of like people who are, are somebody that's like, you know, passed away. Cause like I don't, I don't personally have any like the voicemails of her, you know, from, you know, before she had passed and stuff like that. But some of my, some of my family members and some of my, um, my mama's friends, they would tell me like, I will go back and listen to, um, some of her voicemails and stuff like that. You know, it really will bring me to tears and everything. You know, it's all, it was almost like that, like for me, that song for me is like a, like a memoir almost. time capsule you know so I was trying to like push that song like a whole lot when it um well after everything had happened like after it came out and stuff like that so now it's a song about both of them instead of just you know my dad that's you know so I'm gonna throw out there you know That is some that is some forking deep really and sorry to use the curse word listeners, but that is some super Yeah, just deep stuff very nostalgic um Right there, you know a lot of sonic sampling Yeah, for sure. to create this uh nostalgia you know you know within this sound that's that's amazing and then and then tell us a little bit about cherry blossom serenade tell us a little bit more about that Mmm cherry blossom serenade. Let me uh go back a little bit. Let me think cherry blossom serenade That's about a couple of things go ahead no, sorry, was just going to say, did that evolve into a larger body of work or yeah, unpack that a little bit more. Yeah, so Vitamin B12, the Cherry Blossom Serenade, Rain, and all of the tracks that weren't released as singles came out on my album The Glitch. And that was another one of my favorite albums to make. That album pretty much was everything that culminated after my mother passed away. You know what I'm saying? explained earlier about like with vitamin b12 and everything but yeah that pretty much was a culmination of you know the tumultuous time i had after um my mother um had passed away you know because that that'd be that'd be you know a major life change for anybody you know like i said it just no me day is anybody you know what i'm saying so um yeah cherry blossom serenade That's about like a couple of things, you know, I kind of like this discuss like in the first verse I discussed like like Death in street life and what it can do to you You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, I said like a mother cries to herself on the side of the street another horrific defeat He stepped on his life like a soccer ball cleat. You know what I'm saying? So I kind of like discuss like that, especially in the black community and stuff like that, where street life can eventually lead you to. it's also about romance to a certain extent. I said that like a question. Yeah, it is about romance. know what I'm saying? I said, I know, it's about romance maybe? I don't know, kind of. like, I'm not sure I can answer that question. Right, right, right. I don't know you tell me. But yeah, yeah, it was about romance and you know, basically about because in the intro, I'd say about uh the counterfeit has to come before the authentic arises. And I'm basically talking about like romance in a sense to where sometimes you have to go through. like a bad relationship or a toxic relationship before you can meet the partner that's actually meant for you. know what I'm saying? Or find out where you are so you'll be ready for the partner that's actually meant for you. You know, so that's mainly where I'm getting at with that. Like, you know, with love and, you know, basically like love and death. I know that like on a polar spectrum, opposite spectrum, but like, you know, I guess you could say they kind of relate in this sense, I guess, you know. that is awesome. So fast forward a little bit from the glitch to I'll live forever. It's just popping. It's all over the place. There is hype. I want people in Australia, Europe, all over Europe, London, you know, to understand what this is all about and where the hell they can listen to this good stuff. Drop it for us. Yeah, so basically, I Live Forever is a single that's actually on my newest album, Sermons. But yeah, yeah, it's one of my newest singles, you know what I'm saying? that song is like, you know, I don't know what was running through my mind when I made that. It's like, you know, I just wanted to make something really experimental. I guess that was, yeah, was on my mind, something experimental, you know, um as far as I really wanted to focus more on the production rather than like the vocals as much, you know, just really on like, you know, the drum kits, you know what I'm saying, that I used and the sampling on it. The sample on there, if you heard the song, the sample on there is actually from this Grammy winning award. Grammy award winning artist, I cannot talk today. Grammy award winning artist, Ray. I think it was like last year's Grammy or something like that, she won or something like that. But yeah, basically, that was the first time I heard about her when I watched the Grammys. And I was like, wanna try and sample one of her tracks, because I was listening to some of her music. I was like, I really. Her sound, you know, her production, her vocals, like everything is kind of cool. I think she's a UK artist actually, if I'm correct. I think she's from the UK. But anyway, yeah, it was one of her songs that I had sampled on there. I used that sample and basically my own, like I said, my own drum kits and stuff like that, because you hear a certain part of song when... She's saying sniffing sniffing cocoa cocoa sniffing sniffing cocoa cocoa that that's that's her voice. You know what I'm saying on there, but um It's basically the the track goes like, you know, Front seat on the back seat sniffing cocaine something like that, you know, nothing back from the back seat sniffing cocaine But I just kind of like flipped a sample and like I just made it into like sniffing sniffing cocoa cocoa, you know more rhythmic, you know what I'm saying, than melodic, you know? But yeah, yeah. And tell us a little bit about, so that's Ray, by the way, R-A-Y-E just for those. Um, yeah. I want to, I want to check out that definitely, uh, go straight. Where can I wait before we go, where can we find all these awesome tunes? Um, tell us a little bit more about sermons and how that all came about. Like where'd you come up with a name and, you know, let's talk about a couple of more tunes on, that track. Sorry. On that, uh, album. Yeah, so basically Sermon is my newest album. It's a 20-track album. know, uh 20 fire songs, you know what I'm saying. um Yeah, it's just an album. Basically, I got inspiration from it, from reading the Sermon on the Mount. three chapters in the Bible. um It's Matthew chapter 5, chapter 6, and chapter 7, where basically um it's one of the most quoted uh scriptures in the Bible, and it basically has the Lord's Prayer in there. You know, Our Father, art in heaven, hallowed thy name. You know what I'm saying? What else? Yeah, basically that was when like Jesus like major servant like on the mountaintop where he was given like, you know, his is doing his thing or whatever. And the golden rule comes to mind because it's mentioned in that passage too about do unto others as you would have them do unto you. And really, I feel like that's like about taking accountability, you know, because it's like you know, treat others the way you want to be treated. Essentially, you know, and that's kind of like the the main theme behind the album because you have a lot of good songs on there. I think it's one of my favorite albums so far. got Breakthrough, well, Swift and Easily Changeable, Breakthrough, Super Power, uh what else? Romance Scam and uh Swift and Easily Changeable is actually something my uncle used to say before he had passed away. know what I'm saying? He used to always say you gotta like, you he's like, you gotta watch people who are swift and easily changeable. You know what I'm saying? I don't do his accent very well. You know, the way he talks very well, but yeah. But I just thought about him when I made that. Appreciate that. But I just thought about him when I made that song. You know what I'm saying? It just kind of starts off the album, you know, because um, basically I thought that would be a good way to start the album because it just like really represents what the album is about, kind of like accountability, you know, and all of those types of things, you know, and also got a lot of meaning, right? As well, you know? Yeah. It's got a lot of, a lot of family. I was just going to say like, I love that. It's also got a lot of meaning to it. You know, when you hear that play, you know, it also bring that little bit of nostalgia back and things like that, you know, and it's just got a lot of meaning and depth to it. Um, I love that. So where can, where can all the viewers, um, and listeners start? listening to. you know, obviously what we'll do and just all the listeners will create, um, we'll create his profile and beats the rap on platform, full profile. You'll see all of photos of who he is, links to some of his YouTube's all links to all of his digital, um, streaming platforms and everything like that. Um, is there anywhere in particular you might want to send the listeners to or anything like that? Mmmmm Everywhere. Everywhere is similar. No, it's a joke. But, right, right. It actually used to be my, my, my location on a SoundCloud. I just put everywhere United States. I don't know that's kind of contradictory, but I had to put United States on there. So I just put everywhere United States, you know, but now it's Atlanta, Georgia, cause you know, you gotta have, you know, direct location and stuff like that. But yeah, they could come find me on Spotify, obviously all the music streaming platforms, you know what I'm saying? Follow me on Instagram at St. Dub, that's S-A-I-N-T like St. John, St. Paul, but just St. DUB dub like riding on dubs. I'm maybe active on there a whole lot. Um Where else? YouTube at Sani boy SoundCloud at Sani boy. Um Yeah I'm around I'm fine, man all that. So, and again, just, just for the listeners, all of, all of these links will be in the podcast and you can find this podcast on any of our major platforms, as well. And all of the links will be in a podcast description. Plus, uh, all of the links will be on the, profile on the beats to rap on platform. And he'll be appearing on the homepage as well as a featured artist and creator. Um, Anything, anything else that you'd like, like to say before we, before we wrap this one up, it's been super exciting. Thanks so much. Yeah, for sure. I appreciate you having me on. It really is a pleasure. Thank you so much. before I go, I'd just like to say love yourself like God loves you. And that's pretty much it. Pretty much it. love that. It's such a simple statement, but it's got so much deep power and meaning around it. Thanks very much, and we'll catch you on the next one. Ciao for now.